Thanks Alex. I was referring to your quote on deductive logic using the fruit analogy. You've stated people define logic in different ways. Though this may be paradoxically true, it's not truth's reality, and it was the point I was attempting to make. This is the irony that chases me off the point like a dog after a squirrel. Belief has nothing to do with it in my mind. Backing up...please correct me: I think you're saying that logic needs not to always be employed for uncovering truth because "truth units" are a type of archetypal muscle memory or "short cut" drawn from past experience which may or may not have ever been verified or believed? Again, i believe this may be true, but it's only our perceptions that render truth subjective at this level, when it's empirically not. Either way, It seems we both agree truth units contribute to massive miscommunication, group think and conflict. Don't get me wrong I really enjoyed your piece and this discussion. My interpretation of the entire last half of your piece seemed like a supporting argument for truth units as an acceptable or valid method of deducing truth, though I also took it as philosophically playful :)